Saturday, 2 October 2010

Franken [Fake] Strela Of The Week

About time i did another Strela Franken[Fake] comparison,i seem to get more e.mails about this subject than anything else.I have no problem with sellers listing these watches as redialled ,but it does annoy me when they try to pass them off as original.
The seller of this one is based in Odessa and is claiming the watch to be original with a `Buy It Now` price of £315.
The top picture is of the fake being sold,the second picture down is one of mine for comparison.
Firstly the hour and minute hands are not original,compare with mine.
The dial is,[an increasingly common], Chinese redial.The easiest way to tell these Chinese redials,apart from Font differences,is the the hour baton markers on the dial,are much wider than on the original,compare with mine.
Hope this helps.

17 comments:

  1. Thanks Russ a great help!

    BR
    Martin

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  2. Hello Martin,Many Thanks,Lovely to hear from you.
    Regards,
    Russ

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  3. Hello,

    I'm wondering about this one:
    http://trusteboy12.com/a158/961.jpg

    The hands seem correct, but the dial seems fake... what's your opinion on this? If the dial is fake, I suppose this could be a "franken of the week", as this isn't as easy to spot as those with franken hands.

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  4. Hello D,
    Yes you are correct,it has a Fake dial,probably Chinese copy,hands are correct,movement is not correct,movement number indicates date of manufacture in the 70`s.Should be in the 1960`s.
    Regards,
    Russ.

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  5. Fake Watches can fulfill the exact demands of individuals people who want to knowledge original timepieces at affordable rates.

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  6. Yes Phil,there is nothing wrong with `hommage` watches.
    But it is wrong to sell fake watches as original.
    Regards,
    Russ.

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  7. Hello Russ,

    Thank you very much for this post because it made me realise I had just bought this fake! I managed to cancel the sale with the seller...

    I am now offered a white Poljot Strela similar to your #19722, but with a 04XXX serial number. Do you think that such an early number is consistent with this model?

    Thanks in advance!

    Constantin

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  8. Hello Constantin,
    Thats great news, you managed to cancel the sale with the Fake Strela.

    The non Cyrillic 3017`s like mine [19722],started to be manufactured from about,production number;10000 to 15000 all the way through to end of production with some slightly differant fonts and serrifs.
    Anything under 10000 i would expect to have a Cyrillic dial,the Cyrillic dials were made from 0 to 20000.
    I hope this helps.
    If you need further information,try the excellent sited listed under my favourite watch links section.
    Good luck on your search.
    Best Regards,
    Russ.

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  9. Hi Russ,
    I am quite new to watch collecting and just escaped from an Ukrainian seller on eBay that sold me a 1906 Zenith pocket-wrist watch but with a 1970 movement (not 1870).

    After some research I understand that during the Soviet Era the only way to have a good and affordable watch was a "franken".

    Do you have stories to send me, as much as you can about this era, because I am collecting stories from others in order to publish (with the names of the contributors).

    I think that "franken watch" collecting could also be part of the "watch world"... I have been "hurted" by purist on "mutual admiration forums"... but still think this is also part of the history...

    Paul ... timbrefrance@videotron.ca

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  10. Hello Paul,
    I am sorry to hear about your Franken Zenith
    .
    The examples i list of Frankens on my blog are designed to try,in a very small way to educate new buyers on the pitfalls that could befall them,when they get into collecting Russian watches.

    On a personal level,i made a few mistakes,many years ago,when i was new to Russian watches.But,i must say in general,i have been very lucky,in that i have met,and learned to trust several sellers from Eastern Europe,indeed,the only real problems i have had are from sellers from U.K and America,who`s cynisism has been quite breathtaking.

    Having said all this,there are obviously sellers out there from Eastern Europe,who do knowingly sell frankens,but normally illustrate them by using extremely good photo`s,so by using some of the Reference sites[listed on this blog],there is realy no excuse to Buy Russian Frankens,with eyes shut.

    I hope i have answered the gist of your question,but if i havnt,[and it wouldnt be the first time],please don`t hesitate to contact me.

    The very best Regards,
    Russ.

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  11. What do you think t these items on ebay by trusteboy

    220829864937

    and

    320745634184

    I'd appreciate your views before I buy. I love them but I don't want o be ripped off.
    Regards
    glyn

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  12. Hello Glyn,
    I am very sorry,but,the only original parts are the movements and possibly cases.They were originaly pocket watches,that have been rather imaginatively redialled,they have also had lugs soldered on to make them look like watches.Just to make myself quite clear,they are Franken,[Fake].
    Best Regards,
    Russ

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  13. Hi I bought a luch one hand watch how do I know if its fake or not their is a number on the back of the case 934 ? there is no antimagnetic shield in side the watch. 1801.1 is stamped on the movement on the factory package there is hologram sticker with the numbers 217917/3k and 00458138 ? there are other numbers on the paper work that came with it don't know what they mean . The paper document is a roughly cut A5 size peace of paper printed unevenly with the numbers from left to right reading 1801.1 190413 37471762 592711 this looks like 11 with a solid line on top last number is 190413xpom ? can you tell me anything about this watch kind regards Daryll

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  14. Hello Daryll.
    Thank you for the interest.
    I am very sorry,but i cant really help you.The Luch one handed watch was a relatively,new addition to the line.In fact, one version was a watch initiated, by Russian watch forum members?
    I am afraid my interest has always been in the classic 23j ultra thin Luch,and must plead ignorance on all the other Luch types.
    I only wish i could have been of more assistance.
    Best Regards,
    Russ.

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  16. Hi I have just purchased a STRIELA – – 1960-1969 Chronograph wristwatch, I am very new to watch collecting and the seller seemed and was rated on catawiki as a top seller ,When the watch arrived It seemed very new for the 1960s , I am very worried

    https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/14395155-striela-man-1960-1969

    If you cannot see photo with this link I can send images to anyone who can help ,

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  17. Hello Francis,

    Thank you for your interest and kind comments on my blog.

    I am afraid you are correct, in your assumption.The Strela you have purchased, is not original.
    It has a reproduction dial,[Fake]. Reproduction Hand set. [Fake]. It also is in a more modern Poljot case, and not the correct early version with rounded lugs.

    I am sorry to have to pass on this disappointing information and sincerely hope you can get your money back.

    Best Regards,
    Russ.

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